If you see a bot report it. CCP gave you report tools, use them.

In case you didn't know for some people cheaper ice products are better and some of us don't even sell any ot ice we mine but instead use it. It's much better way if you actually need to use it for something like fuel. Of course it requires :effort: but it's not a problem for us.

It's a FREE market. Artifical intervention is bad mmm..kk...

In my limited experiences there were already using prebuff ships with support to draw out their potential in ways not too dissimilar to now. They probably felt this the least of all unless you think an EHP buff was of great concern to them.

Consider this thought experiment.


A miner, mines all day, takes his minerals to market, sells them for a profit.

The person who bought those minerals, refined them, and manufactured ammo with the minerals.

The ammo, gets bought by a hauler, and taken to a hub, and sold for profit.

The ganker, bought the ammo, loaded them into his guns, and by pure chance suicide ganks the original Miner in question.

If the miner, knew his own goods had a hand in his demise, what responsibility should he take in this particular scenario considering his role?

Gank for profit. It can be done.

For a start, they ARE playing Eve if they are "highseccers".

And by "not playing", you mean they're not playing the way YOU want them too?


That's a problem for you. Why?

That is what AFK mining is. Or so i thought. If I'm mistaken and we're using different definitions please let me know.

For a start, they ARE playing Eve if they are "highseccers".

And by "not playing", you mean they're not playing the way YOU want them too?


That's a problem for you. Why?

~moronic pubbie post~

Right here from the EULA:

3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

Hmmm its almost as if CCP has implicitly stated that any AFK activity is not allowed.

Show me where CCP says this is a PVP ONLY game.

Explain to me how emulating bot behavior and not being present at the keyboard while the game is playing itself is playing EVE.

I don't even know what this is try again please this time with brevity and soundness.

I always wondered where the feck they got all the minerals from to build all dem super stuffz?

Ok, this argument attacks why AFK mining is negative economically, but it doesn't address why it should be treated as an EULA violation like some seem to think it should be by equating it to the AFK PvE exploit.

The fact that you can deploy drones to facilitate being AFK was YOUR point, not mine. All I did was point out that it isn't needed to AFK mine so it can't be the reason for it being en exploit. So again, while economically disadvantageous (to a limited degree) what makes AFK mining worthy of being considered an exploit?

Also keep in mind that the mantra of risk V reward means that there must be various levels of risk, including low risk, to make varying levels of reward relevant. So mining being low reward isn't inherently bad in the RvR argument.

Edit: "So what if it requires inputs?" This is something that I wholly do not understand. This is, from my understanding, a large contributing factor as to why the exploit was declared. Is it understood to be otherwise?

Did you read the OP? If you did you know what my problem is with this. So asking me this rhetorical question is a literal waste of space.

But I'll give you the Cliff's Notes here:

This is devaluing mining as a career path for future pilots.

It is also ruining the economy.

Left unchecked it can end with only one inevitable result.

That result is not good for Eve.